Buffalo Rumblings Community Needs List: Retro

by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 7:33 AM EDT in Buffalo Bills Opinion

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It was nearly two full months ago (my, how time flies when you're talking football) that the Buffalo Rumblings community assembled our very own BR Community Needs List. We spent nearly a week analyzing the weaknesses of the Buffalo Bills, using that information to prioritize the needs of the team. The final list we put together was in-depth and thorough - and folks, we pretty much hit the nail on the head.

Looking back on this list two months later, with free agency all but over and the Bills turning the majority of their attention to the draft, it's pretty safe to say that our consensus-based line of thinking was very close to what the fine folks at One Bills Drive were thinking. Here's the final list assembled, with commentary on how the landscape of each position has changed this off-season. You might be surprised at how accurate we were.

1. Defensive Tackle: Clearly, our main focus was the Bills' main focus, as the Bills used the opening weekend of free agency to completely re-tool their interior defensive line. Gone is Larry Tripplett, a nice veteran who wasn't getting the job done as the team's top tackle. In are former Jaguars Pro Bowler Marcus Stroud and former Vikings reserve Spencer Johnson, who along with John McCargo give the Bills three very talented tackles to rotate. Add the blue-collar Kyle Williams, and the Bills now have sufficient short-term depth to work with inside.

2. Wide Receiver: Clearly, the Bills are aware of their weakness at wide receiver, as their weeks-long courtship of Bryant "Panda" Johnson proved. But the Bills enter the final stretch of free agency, as well as the draft, without a new receiver on board. expect their top pick to be a receiver.

3. Defensive End: This is the only place where our community seems to, on the whole, disagree with the Bills. The team has looked at veteran James Hall as a potential fourth defensive end, so they are working to find a fourth end to replace Anthony Hargrove. It just seems unlikely that the team will address the position in a way that some of us would like, instead relying on the improved defensive tackle situation to bolster our pass rush. An end should, and probably will, be added.

4. Outside Linebacker: Check. Buffalo took care of this need quickly with the signing of former Giant Kawika Mitchell. Buffalo now has a relatively deep linebacking corps in terms of experience; they could use more depth, however. More on that in a moment.

5. Tight End: Buffalo has been aggressively looking to fill this need as well. "Aggressively" doesn't mean a big-name signing in this case (though they did reportedly pursue Alge Crumpler); instead, it means volume, as the team has already added two tight ends (Teyo Johnson, Courtney Anderson) and entertained two more (Crumpler, Ben Troupe). Still, Buffalo lacks a true difference-maker at the position.

6. Cornerback: Another check. The Bills have signed former Eagles dime back William James, who will likely compete for a starting position. The team is not done building depth at the position, but they've certainly addressed the numbers issue. The Bills have also visited with CB Chris Carr as well.

7. Interior O-Line: The only movement on this front was the re-signing of veteran reserve Jason Whittle, an important yet unspectacular move. It's likely that the Bills will look for a reserve guard or center in the draft to compete with the likes of Duke Preston.

8. Wide Receiver: Yes, we had this position on the list twice - that's how important finding players at this position is. I fully expect the team to add one to two more draftees to the depth situation at WR after finding a starter very early on in the draft.

9. Offensive Tackle: Two months ago, we were not comfortable with Kirk Chambers - and I, for one, disagreed. I still disagree to an extent, but after Whittle's re-signing, I believe tackle needs to be boosted up the list a touch. It's unclear whether or not the Bills will add a reserve tackle or rely on Chambers and Patrick Estes for depth.

10. Fullback: We weren't comfortable with Darian Barnes then, and we're still not. Buffalo may enter the season relying on Barnes as their starting fullback, but we still believe that adding a tougher lead blocker with special teams ability would be just the ticket for the Bills.

11. Linebacker: Yes, reserve linebacker made the list as well, and the need was only bolstered when the team released veteran Coy Wire. Neither of Buffalo's top two special teams reserves, Mario Haggan and Josh Stamer, have been re-signed, though that's still a possibility. With only five linebackers on the roster (sorry, Blake Costanzo), depth still needs to be addressed - especially with Angelo Crowell entering the final year of his deal.

12. Strong Safety: This need seems to have been much higher on the Bills' list, as they worked hard to sign Marlon McCree before he signed on in Denver. The team did re-sign Bryan Scott, but it appears that the club would like to get young Donte Whitner away from the line of scrimmage more often. It's still quite possible that the team adds a strong safety in the draft.

13. Quarterback: This only made the list due to J.P. Losman's trade request, which has not yet been granted. If Losman is traded on draft day, finding a backup becomes a priority. If Losman stays, the Bills are set at quarterback.

So there you have it - our original Community Needs List, which was pretty accurate. Our next charge - which we'll begin this afternoon - is tweaking this list to keep it up-to-date and draft ready. For now, marvel at our collective intelligence - and feel free to begin the tweaking process as well.

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My re-listing

1- WR, I can't argue that any other position is more important.
2- TE, The offense needs help, badly.
3- DE, I still think it needs the most help on the defensive side.
4- CB, William James is nothing special, but he is a stop gap, now we need the young player to take over when the time is right.
5- DT, I'm still worried about Stroud's health.
6- WR#2, If nothing else an insurance policy in case Evans defects.
7- FB, The only thing Barnes is the answer to is "who did the Bills give the dumbest contract too this year?" 6 years? Is that a joke?
8- O-Line depth, I would be fine with this group of guys to start the season, but I would always like to add young depth and Whittle hasn't been considered young for about 20 years.
9- QB, Get J.P.'s replacement here now, give him a year to learn-up.
10- SS, Again I would be happy with this group but I have a feeling this team will look for a late round guy they can develop.
11- LB, Not sure the Bills will add any in the draft but like the lottery says "Hey you never know".

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 8:26 AM EDT reply actions

I'm proud

Good to see DE bumped down that list a touch. :)

What I don't understand is why you have WR2 so high (potential replacement for Evans) but LB (potential replacement for Crowell) so low. Are we really expecting to put Keith Ellison back into the lineup if Crowell departs next off-season? Puke. Bump LB up that list, and QB/DT down, and I'm satisfied.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions

#2 WR Vs. back-up LB

Just my feeling, The chances that the Bills will be able to retain Crowell > the chances that Evans is a Bill in 2 years. I think Lee will want an awful lot of money and given how his buddy J.P. was treated, he might not want it to be Ralph's money. Crowell is a solid talent but he will not cost any where near as much as Evans to resign.

QB/DT sorry those I'm not moving, Stroud is 30 and has an iffy ankle, I would like some insurance. And I feel that it is critical to get a young QB some learning. The sooner you can get him in your system before he might have to play the better.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions

Don't disagree

about a young QB; I'd just rather see them bring in a guy with some NFL experience next off-season than draft a rookie to back up Edwards.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 9:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Stick to yours guns sireric

This is a needs list correct? Not a draft list which gets much messier due to best player available vs need. I would have put center as greatest o-line need. I think Brain still has one foot on the JP bandwagon. If you love someone, set them free!!!

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions

Kind of...

... is there, in your opinion, a better backup QB option than Losman? Every free agent QB is off the market (all the worthwhile ones, anyways), and I'd MUCH rather have an experienced QB who knows our system as the backup than a green mid-round rookie. How is that J.P. love? To me, it's just common sense.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions

Sage Rosenfels

With Quinn Gray going to the Texans it looks like Sage could be a great back up

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Mar 24, 2008 11:31 AM EDT up reply actions

Gray

How is he only getting the vet minimum there? Doesn't make sense to me. I'd give him an easy million of Ralph's money to hold the clipboard here...

by krytime on Mar 24, 2008 11:36 AM EDT up reply actions

I too

was shocked when I saw that. Especially when you consider that there are plenty of teams that should pay him a million to compete for a starting position, Atlanta, Oakland, Miami, Jets, Kansas City, etc, etc. Plus, Drew Rosenhaus is his agent, I thought his specialty was milking teams.

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Mar 24, 2008 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions

Rosenhaus

I didn't know he was his agent. Now, it really doesn't make sense, unless he thinks he can do better than Schaub. Some said last year Sage was doing better than Schaub, so I guess we'll see..

Did any of you hear Rosenhaus and his brother have been responsible for 440 million dollars in signings this offseason? For as much as I despise the guy, that's a lot of work for two people to accomplish.

by krytime on Mar 24, 2008 11:56 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah, doesn't make sense to me

for both sides.

First, why do the Texans want Gray on a 1 year deal over Rosenfels, who I believe is signed for a few more seasons? I thought Rosenfels has played pretty well for them.

And why would Gray sign there? He must be really convinced Rosenfels will be traded and he will have a very good shot at play time. There's no way he couldn't have gotten a better offer elsewhere.

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions

Sage Rosenfels

He's still under contract, so the Bills would have to trade, and i think the Texans turned down the Vikings offer of a 3rd rounder already.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions

I like J.P. as a person

But, his time in Buffalo is done. J.P. believes he can be a starter, and he might be right. You can't blame him for wanting out of Buffalo. I would not give him away, but if we can get a 2nd or even a 3rd and 4th for him, then trade him. We owe him that much for the way Mike M. jerked him around. Veteran backup QBs are not a problem. One will surface when rosters are cut to 53 at the very latest. You may see someone like Chad Pennington or Chris Simms in need of a job.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions

Question

If we did trade JP, should we just rely on the hope that a vet QB gets cut? What happens if nobody pops up worth bringing in? We'd be stuck with Gibran Hamdan as our backup, oh my.

I wish we would have signed a vet thus far, making a JP trade much easier to make.

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Roll the dice

Grab Eric Ainge in the 4th and be patient.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm glad you said

Ainge, because he's the only QB beyond the upper trio (Brohm, Ryan, Flacco) that I like. Still, at this point, I'd be far more comfortable having Losman for a season, then letting him walk, than entering '08 with my top two quarterbacks having 9 games of pro experience between them.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Agreed

Loseman walks at the end of this year anyway. The Bills have to weigh how much he is worth as a backup vs. any offer we get for him. If we don't get a good offer before the draft, J.P. could still start the year as our #2 QB with Ainge at #3. If the draft pass without a deal for J.P., then we will have to wait for the pre-season games. It is very likely a team will get desperate after an injury happens to their starter or back-up QB and will want to trade for J.P.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm sure

sireric will agree somewhat with this assessment, but I don't. We can't waste a 4th or higher on a QB when, in all likelihood, we'll be all set at the position's top two spots (at least theoretically). I like Ainge, just not enough to draft him as a #3 quarterback - we need more from a pick that high than a guy who'll have a couple good pre-season showings.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions

You know I do

I absolutely agree with Joe P. I think Losman is gone after this year and the more roster time the Bills can give his replacement the better.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions

Unlikely Scenario

2008 Season.

Edwards gets injured early.

Losman takes over, has an outstanding season, and leads the Bills to the playoffs.

Can you say Derek Anderson/Brady Quinn?

Never say never.

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Play the lotery

You have better odds than Edwards getting hurt, Loseman playing well, not getting a veteran backup, and Ainge sucking so bad that he can't play a few games. Derek Anderson had never been given the chance to start until after Quinn was drafted. I believe Charlie Frye was named the starter at the beginning of 2007. Edwards was drafted after Loseman won the staring job and finished the season on a high note. Not the same situation.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Still

Couldn't the potential reward from a Losman trade outweigh the cost of risking throwing a rookie in if Edwards gets hurt again? Seeing as how we're 90% likely to go WR in round 1 if we can get a 3rd for Losman that would allow us to grab Jordy Nelson, who we otherwise would be hesitant to after getting a WR in the first, because we would have another 3rd to spend elsewhere.

Even if worst case scenario we get a 4th rounder, couldn't that pick be used on Owen Schmitt, player many are not keen on spending our only 4th on because he's a FB?

I guess my point is that with a deep draft this year getting a pick for Losman could be huge!

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by poz on Mar 24, 2008 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions

It's a good point

but not one I agree with. I think we have enough picks to work with this year; I'd rather have a solid situation at backup quarterback than a starting fullback, as much as I like Schmitt. QB is the most important position on the team to have depth at, and the Bills have two pretty good young ones who know the system. I'd much rather keep Losman for a year and let him walk than trade him and be screwed if Edwards gets hurt.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Actually

I don't think we can get a third round pick for Losman.

I would take a third round pick for Losman in a heartbeat, but who would give up a third round pick for QB who has obvious flaws and is about to be a free agent? Also, how many teams are actually looking for a QB like Losman? I think the worst-case scenario for a Losman trade is the 6th round. 4th round seems like the best case scenario and a 5th round pick is probably the most likely selection the Bills could acquire.

I don't think Jordy Nelson will still be available in the third round.

Jordy Nelson was only considered a third round prospect when analysts thought he was going to run a 4.6 at the combine. If the Bills want him they are going to have to take him somewhere in the second round. He will be the 6th to 9th best WR on most teams draft boards and there should be about 8 or 9 WRs taken before the Bills pick in the third round.

We will likely have two fourth rounders once the comp. picks are handed out. Not a big deal, but I thought I would mention it.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Still need a Vet, IMO

I don't think Ainge would be ready to take over if Trent is injured.

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions

How many thought

Edwards would take over for J.P. that early in the season last year? Most people thought J.P. was ready to break out as a top QB. Starting Ainge would be a worst-case scenario, but it has happened in the NFL before. I think the odds are good of getting an experienced QB to be our #2 if J.P. is traded.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Yes, I agree

But not having a vet right now would not stop me from trading Loseman. You have better odds of winning the lottery than Edwards getting hurt, not getting a veteran backup, Ainge sucking so bad that he can't play a few games, and the pick we get for Loseman being a bust.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions

Really?

Are we talking about the same Trent Edwards who was constantly injured in college and slipped to the third round based primarily on injury concerns? He didn't exactly clear up those concerns last season when he missed some games with that arm injury.

This is the list of veteran QBs still available in FA:

Daunte Culpepper
Tim Rattay
Gus Frerotte
Craig Nall
Byron Leftwich

Which of those guys would be a suitable replacement for Losman?

Erik Ainge is a decent prospect, but nowhere near as good as Edwards was and look at how bad Edwards' numbers were from last season. How can you possibly expect a late round rookie QB to contribute anything at all in his first season.

There wasn't a QB taken after Edwards last year that started a game except for Troy Smith who looked pretty bad. The only QBs taken after the second round in 2006 that have played are Brodie Croyle and Bruce Gradkowski who both had awful rookie seasons.

If the Bills trade Losman I would say the move has about a 50/50 chance of coming back to bite them in the ass.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

So how many

QBs in the league missed a game or two last season? I don't look at a sprained wrist as a big injury concern. As far as your list of vets, pick one except Nail. I don't think the Bills could look him in the face and cut him again. Daunte Culpepper still thinks he is a #1 QB. He has finally had two years to heal from the knee injury, so he could be a good #2, but not a #1. But, our best options for a #2 QB have not been cut yet. Be patient. Trade Loseman only if the right offer comes.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Paience will be hard to come by for some...

I am taking the attitude of wait and see as well. The QBs who will be cut will grow post draft as teams look at the UDFAs and whom they took in the draft before they start cutting guys.

Our best options to trade Losman comes at 2 points this year. During the draft if a team needing a QB can't bag one of the top 3 players. And the other time is during training camp when guys get hurt for a myriad number of reasons. Until either thing is happening, I doubt Losman goes anywhere.

As for Trent's injury, it still is Fairchild's fault for not recognizing that the Jets were bringing the house to hit Trent and making sure he called a play that provided backside protection. A QB will get hurt at some point when taking blind side and constant punishment, even the best do (Farve anyone?).

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Mar 24, 2008 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't forget

Kelly Holcomb

Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Mar 24, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Chad

There are a few reports that the jets have been eyeballing Joe Flacco. If they cut Chad i would grab him in a second. He would be a solid back-up to Trent.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions

QB

It's not JP, it's Hamdan. I don't see him as a viable long term option as a back-up. I would rather see the Bills bring in a late round QB and get him in the system, even if that means the practice squad. I don't think any rookie will replace J.P. as #2 this year, but replace Hamdan as #3.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 10:20 AM EDT up reply actions

Darien Barnes

Where did you see the details of Barnes' contract? I can't find anything online about it, and it's hard to believe they'd give him a six-year contract when he hasn't done anything. Maybe that's his experience in the league?

by Krenn on Mar 24, 2008 9:34 AM EDT up reply actions

It's Rotoworld's fault

Rotoworld reported last month that it was a 6-year deal, to the shock and dismay of everyone here. They've fixed that mistake: it's a one-year deal.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 9:39 AM EDT up reply actions

Sure...

Make me look dumb, thanks I do that well enough on my own. (Josh Johnson anybody?)

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions

A stab with a gamble

WR
TE
C
WR2 (slot)
DE
CB
OLB
OT
DT
FB

This list hinges 100% on CB. I'm personally willing to give Ashton Youboty one final chance this summer only out of the necessity in order to add to several other positions on draft day. I view both Jabari Greer and Will James as poor starting options, but decent nickel/dime CBs. If a talented young player can leapfrog Greer and James early next season, the CB depth chart becomes legitimate. If that player can be Youboty, it allows the Bills to address other positions (namely our historically bad offense of 2007) early in the draft. On the other hand, if that player ends up being a 1st or 2nd round pick, not only does the offense get neglected, but you're basically giving up on Youboty as he'll have no role whatsoever with McGee, a high draft pick, Greer and James all on board. Does Youboty deserve another chance? Not really. Did he show anything late last season after Thomas and Butler were hurt to suggest that he'll have a puncher's chance this summer? I think he did. By default, I'll push CB down the list with the hopes that Youboty can solidify the position next season. It's a gamble, but so are Trent Edwards and Turk Schonert. At some point, some of Buffalo's gambles need to move towards the defensive side of the ball in order to prop up the inept offense.

Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Mar 24, 2008 10:16 AM EDT reply actions

My feelings as well

I think Youbuty deserves another chance. The guy should have stayed in college another year, and we got someone whom the Bills felt that if they spent a couple of seasons with the team they would be good, ala McGee and even Greer.

I think he takes a step forward this year, and I think he will be a decent #2. Doesn't mean I wouldn't take another prospect late in the draft though.

I agree with how you worked out the needs list as well. The only thing I would make a change to is I would switch OLB and OT along with swapping DT and FB, so the bottom half looks so:

I think we resign Crowell this offseason, and we need someone to replace Whittle after this year, I think he retires after this season. DT is bottom of the list since I think we will have a healthy line this season and a real FB is needed if we are to get the ball moving on the ground more effectively.

So how done was Pat Williams when we let him go Tommie boy??? Stick a fork in him level right?

by WABillsfan on Mar 24, 2008 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions

my relisting...

WR (first and foremost. can't provide a reasonable argument otherwise)
TE (they have a lot of TE's signed, but most won't be on the opening day roster)
CB (William James could be a diamond in the rough, or he could be another Jason Webster. A young, tough CB is still needed)
O-Line Depth (i've said it before, the Bills have at least four lineman up for free agency next year - Flowers, Chambers, Preston, and Whittle. Add in the fact that i'm not high on any of them, and O-line depth is very important. One major injury along the front 5 could spell doom for the offense in '08)
FB (I list this higher then most. My rationale: The new FB is likely going to be a starter. Outside of WR or TE, that can't be said for any other position)
WR2 (I happen to think that the Bills would be best served by grabbing 2 receivers in the first 4 rounds. A few reasons for this line of thinking. First, it would automatically give them good depth at the position that greatly needs an influx of talent. Second, it would give the Bills an insurance policy if they can't re-sign Lee. In all likelihood they have two more seasons with Evans, considering they would slap the franchise tag on him, but that would give the second guy a few years to develop as his replacement - and we all know how long WR development usually takes. Lastly, it would allow Reed and Parrish to strickly play the roles that they excel at).
DE (just the oppostie a FB. A lot lower then most on hear would like. I've stuck to my guns here, and it seems the Bills brass agrees. This position is no where near in the dire situation some would like to think. A young pass rusher would make an excellent addition to this unit)
LB depth (someone behind Crowell is needed. Whether that means re-signing Haggen or someother low-teir free agent or grabbing one in the later rounds of the draft. Grabbing a potential replacement for Crowell would be nice, but the Bills have too many other needs to satisfy all of their future concerns in one off-season).
DT (It would be nice to get a young guy to add to the rotation as an insurance police for Stroud, but like LB depth, you can't get EVERYTHING you want. You have to prioritize. Also, I would hope that the Bills have more confidence in Stroud, especially considering that they are paying him $6 million a year and gave up a 3rd and 5th round pick for him).
QB (As Brian said, only needs to be addressed if JP is moved, and that seems to be less likely by the day. Most of the vets on the free agent market are gone, and the Bills are not going to have Gilbrid Hamden or a rookie as Trent's primary back-up. I believe JP stays, much to his dismay).

I don't know where on the list I would put strong safety. I think Whitner, Simpson, Scott, Wilson, and Wendling could be fine, however, if the Bills want to shift Donte to free safety, then SS would need to be addressed. Scott is solid, but his is not a NFL starter. I think they should just leave well-enough alone at this point and keep Whitner at strong safety. The other needs are just too important to be using a high draft pick on a safety.

John I.

by jri111 on Mar 24, 2008 10:20 AM EDT reply actions

i agree

ill agree almost completely with that list except i might put cornerback ahead of te. i think a cornerback with kick return skills is just more important right now than a tight end. im not comfortable with the tight end situation though. and i am beginning to think more and more that we should take owen schmitt in the fourth round. he may play more than anyone else we might draft. except maybe that kick returning cornerback.

by big john on Mar 24, 2008 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions

ha!

I just realized that I said "flowers" instead of "Fowler!"

John I.

by jri111 on Mar 24, 2008 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions

My "updated" needs list

WR - It's our biggest need, but I will reiterate that I don't believe we have to take one at #11.
DE - If we had signed a vet FA WR, this would be #1 to me, but will remain #2 until the draft or some other action. We need a pass rusher....badly.
TE - A bigtime receiving threat at the position would be nice. Adding a WR and TE in the first 3-4 rounds is what this team HAS to do.
C - Fowler, bleh. 'Nuff said.
CB - Not so much for this year, but with all our CB's contracts running out in the next 2 years, we need to build quality depth with future starting potential. This pick can be made in the mid to late rounds.
WR #2 - I'm starting to feel Evans won't resign, at least until we put some talent around him. This can be somewhat of a project WR, but someone who the staff feels WILL contribute offensively sooner rather than later.
OLB - Depth again. We need to add a LB with some size who can fill in in a pinch. I want nothing to do with Ellison on the field this year. Also, we may have to guard against losing Crowell next year.
DT - More depth and as injury insurance. Why not finally add a big ole' space eater again? We can spend a late round pick on a hole clogger who could help on run downs, maybe more so than Kyle Williams does.
QB - Still, this could be higher. With the JP situation is still up in the air, I don't know where to slot this. Right now, with JP in the fold, I'll keep it here. If he is traded, I'd move it up a few slots as we will be in need of a Vet. Unfortunately, there's not much out there, so it's looking like JP may remain a Bill IMO.
FB - I'm still not convinced this need is as high as others believe. We're supposedly going to be bringing the true FB back into the fold, but it remains to be seen how often the FB will indeed be used. Plus, I'm not sure the impact would be that great. We used a lead blocker last year at times, but because the interior of the OL caved in, we didn't have a great running game between the tackles. Until that is fixed, how much would a top FB help us? We can find a solid player in the later rounds.
OT - We need a young player to groom here as a backup. I wouldn't mind using a mid-to-late round pick on a player with high upside in need of some technique refinery.

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 10:27 AM EDT reply actions

After further review

I'd switch QB and OT for now, and probably push OLB down a little bit....I should think more before clicking "post"

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 10:33 AM EDT up reply actions

My List

WR - obviously
TE - again .... obviously
CB - If William James starts any games this year it will be a step backwards from last season
FB - I expect a FB to be on the field more than 50% of the time when the Bills have the ball. Why not find one who can be a difference maker
DE - A few more QB pressures and sacks are a neccessity
C - A center/guard combo player who can take Preston's spot this season and Fowler's down the road is ideal.
LB - Depth guy
KR - It is time McGee became a full-time CB

With a deep draft class this season it is time for the Bills to improve upon their practice squad. I think the Bills can find some depth at WR, QB and O-Line after the draft.

Not on the list: DT
With 5 players who have NFL experience already on the roster, DT is one of the deepest positions on the team. I am also not a fan of players taking up roster spots if they aren't going to play. Teams typically carry 4 DTs and Jefferson can still hide out on the practice squad.

Second WR:
Unless this player is returning kicks I don't see the need for two WRs in the draft. There should still be some talent we can bring in after the draft and stash away on the practice squad. Why have a developmental WR on the roster when Justin Jenkins can contribute now?

QB:
I am assuming the team keeps Losman. If they don't, a legit prospect or solid vet would likely become the third biggest need for the Bills. I think keeping 3 QBs on an active roster is a thing of the past. Only 6 or 7 teams opened last season with 3 active QBs and I expect that trend to continue. The Bills can bring in a QB to compete with Hamdan and place the winner on the practice squad.

OT:
Another position that can be addressed with a practice squad player in the 7th round or after the draft. I thought Kirk Chambers looked solid last year and teams typically keep only 8 O-Lineman on the active roster.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 10:36 AM EDT reply actions

A couple of questions

First - what has Jason Jefferson shown you that makes you want to have him taking up space on the practice squad? The guy has done nothing for two years, it's time for him to go.

Second - Similar question about Justin Jenkins, why do you think he is ready to contribute now. I'll give you his special teams play, but as a receiver? I haven't seem it.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions

Answers

I only meant special teams when I said Justin Jenkins can contribute now. I think he can be a special teams stud and can help the team that way enough to warrant a roster spot. He did look good at WR in preseason and I wouldn't mind seeing him out there in 4 or 5 WR sets if someone gets injured though. I also believe that the presence of Teyo Johnson and the fact that the Bills might add an athletic tight end via the draft also tempers the Bills need to add two wideouts in the draft.

Well the practice squad is pretty much for emergency depth and that is all that Jefferson provides. Jefferson has enough experience for me to be comfortable with him being the fifth DT. If Stroud or someone gets hurt and Jefferson ends up being the 4th DT in the rotation is that really such a bad thing? He would probably see less than 5 snaps a game unless we lost multiple DTs to injury. If you would prefer to find a different DT to be the fifth guy that is fine, I would just prefer that the fifth guy is a practice squad player and not some mid-round pick that is wasting away on the bench.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Agree

This list is my fave so far. A strong FB would perhaps lessen the need for as strong an O-line, so I like that at #4.

by south123 on Mar 24, 2008 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions

Also --

Everything on here can be touched on at draft day too, which makes this list manageable. And #8, KR will probably be whoever is drafted as CB.

by south123 on Mar 24, 2008 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions

Yeah

The Bills could absolutely kill two birds with one stone in this draft. McKelvin and Devin Thomas have the skilss to be elite KRs.

Another player I like is Samie Stroughter from Oregon State. He only played in a couple of games this year due to personal issues and an injury. He is a poor man's DeSean Jackson and would be a great pick in the last couple of rounds of the draft.

Other late round return prospects inlcude:
Josh Morgan - VT
Mike Henderson - Georgia
Patrick Carter - Lousville
Jaymar Johnson - Jackson St.
Clyde Edwards - Grambling
Rudy Burgess - Arizona St.
Lionel Simgleton - Florida International
Nile Legania - Wayne St.
Brian Witherspoon - Stillman

Some of those guys are pretty fringy and wouldn't be able to contribute other than returns. But most of them should go undrafted and it wouldn't hurt to bring one or two of them into camp and see if somebody is worth a roster spot. Size is an issue for some of them too. We already have Roscoe Parrish, we don't need a second, less talented version of Roscoe.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions

I know we all want the next Tony G.

but does a team that just sign 3 TEs really sound to you like a team looking to draft a TE on day 1 of the draft?

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions

TE

The Bills already having a bunch of TEs on the roster isn't a good reason to not draft one early. The Bills will address the position at some point on draft day and the team will expect that player to make the roster so why does it matter when they draft a TE?

The Bills currently have Robert Royal as their starter. Courtney Anderson would be his backup if the season started today. Tim Massaquoi is a decent blocker and a solid practice squad depth player. Derek Schouman was a 7th round pick and is more of an H-Back than a TE. I think there is almost zero chance that Schouman makes this team. Matt Murphy is being moved to offensive tackle. Keven Everrett is still technically on the roster, but we all know that situation. That leaves Teyo Johnson who isn't really a tight end. If the Bills decide to keep Johnson, I believe they will keep him as a 4th TE/6th WR type of extra player. I don't think Johnson's blocking abilities are good enough to only have two other TEs on the roster.

Why wouldn't the Bills address TE early. Unless they actually want Royal, Anderson and Massaquoi to be the three tight ends on the active roster, the Bills HAVE to address the situation. And remember this is a needs list and the Bills don't have to address these needs in this specific order. I think the Bills are crazy if they aren't planning on taking a TE in rounds 2-4.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions

You make good points and it is possible

but, given all of the other holes, I don't see the Bills putting a high priority on both WR and TE. If someone like Davis or Keller fall to round 3 or 4, then yes, the Bills might pull and "Edwards".

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Sorry

but which holes are bigger than TE?

Robert Royal is one of the worst starters on the team. Courtney Anderson is an average backup at best and Tim Massaquoi really isn't an NFL calibur player.

by kaisertown on Mar 24, 2008 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions

A vetical threat TE is not a necessity

I would love to have one, but if we were planning on drafting one, then why sign 3 FAs. A blocking TE is. We got that, so not as big a hole as the holes at WR, DE, CB, C, FB, QB, DT, and RG. And, Fowler is the worst starter on the team.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions

Needs list

I also think it's fitting that the picture associated with this needs list is of Dick Jauron. I'll just say that I couldn't agree more.

Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Mar 24, 2008 10:45 AM EDT reply actions

Haha

(This is me not disagreeing)

by Kurupt on Mar 24, 2008 10:49 AM EDT up reply actions

Picture

Would a picture of Josh Reed be a better fit for this needs list?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Mar 24, 2008 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions

Picture

I'll still say Jauron's the better fit since he signs off on Reed's playing time...How about a picture of Jauron, Fewell, Reed, and Royal all floating in a big barrel, headed for the edge of Niagra Falls? Royal could do a premature celebration dance just before they make it over.

Nick (Bensalem, PA)

by Nick BensalemPA on Mar 24, 2008 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions

the question now is

where would you rank his replacement and who do you see as good candidates?

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Not so fast

I am not sold on Jauron, but I am not ready to fire him either. Ultimately, the head coach gets credit when you win, and takes the blame for everyone else's screwups when you lose. In truth, a head coach is only as good as his staff (see Mike Holmgren). IMO if Jauron fails, it will be because he didn't (or was not allowed to) hire top assistants when he had the chance.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Needs & Upgrades

If you look at the roster as is, there certainly aren't very many absolute needs. We should all be happy with that. This organization finally seems to be heading in the right direction. But the roster does need to be filled out, and there are definitely some spots that do need an upgrade.

Needs

- WR. Currently, the Bills are in need of a WR that can play opposite of Evans, and not just in the slot. Captain Obvious I am. Unless they release Josh Reed, there is really only a need for one WR. If he makes the roster, I expect Teyo Johnson to play more like a WR than a TE, but he's still not the cure all by any means.

- CB. I don't mind where the Bills are sitting now with McKee, Greer, Youboty, and James. With teams typically carrying five CBs, there is another need to here. This is a tough call as to how high the importance is here. If someone has a crystal ball, it'd be nice to know these four things before the draft: Has McKee finally arrived as a #1 CB? Will Greer continue to improve and develop into a #2 CB? Will Youboty finally break out, and show the skills that made him a day one draft pick? Is James Jason Webster? If the answers are yes, yes, yes, and no, then this spot doesn't have to be addressed with any degree of importance. If not, well...

- OLB. Unless Haggan is resigned, this is another spot that needs to be filled. I don't think it's a pressing concern though. Now watch, as I say that, Rivers will begin to skyrocket between now and the draft, and be available at #11. Would you be able to pass on him there?

Upgrades

- TE. With Royal and Schoumann in place, the Bills at least filled out this spot with bodies by signing Anderson and Johnson. But like I said above, I think Teyo (if he makes the roster) will play more like a WR. So I think a major upgrade is in place here, and I really think they'll address it through the draft with a higher pick than maybe some would like.

- OL. Again, the numbers game says this spot is set. And, I really liked the way the starting five played together last year, and think they will only improve. But I'm not sold at all on Whittle, Duke, or Chambers. I'm actually surprised Preston is still on this team; he's shown me nothing over the last three years. The only thing he brings is a little versatility, which means he can suck at two positions instead of one. I kind of like Chambers, but he still needs a little time yet. Personally, I would love a mammoth G/C who could possibly give Fowler a run, but I don't think that guy is out there. If he is, please let me know. The scary thing is, if one of the starters gets hurt for any significant amount of time, this offense, no matter what additions in skill positions, will look worse than it did last year.

- FB. It'd be nice to get a better FB than whoever the heck it is that we have. But it's not a priority. Sure, some of you will say it's a starting position. But is it really? I think a FB in this offense might see about 15-20 snaps a game, at most. I also don't think they're going to completely abandon the HB role.

- LS. I know this might be a little nitpicky, but I didn't care for Neil last year. I actually wondered at times if he was the reason Morman seemed to have an off year.

Needs & Upgrade

- DE. First, it's a need because there are really one three guys, and two were hurt last year. I don't know when, where, or how they fill this spot. But I think it falls under its own separate category of need, and upgrade.

Misc

- QB. I still say JP gets traded. But until then, I guess status quo remains the answer here.

- DT. I think many of you know my take on DTs - a good defense starts with strength up the middle. And as much as I like the Stroud trade, I'm very weary of saying this spot is fixed. If his ankle doesn't hold, we'll have the same problems on defense next year as we did last year. I'd feel a lot better if we got Sims or Red Bryant on board.

by krytime on Mar 24, 2008 11:32 AM EDT reply actions

LS - good observation

I don't like to single out single plays, but the long snapper is a critical position and definitely played a role in at least two games last year. The Denver game had a missed field goal from a high snap, and there was another one later in the year, but I don't remember when. But its the price you pay when you switch from experience to young talent, you get one or two more mistakes at first. I think he'll improve.

And to his credit, its a position that you can only look bad at. How often do people say what a great long snapper you have??

by south123 on Mar 24, 2008 1:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Cleveland game

Neil put one over Moorman's head in the Cleveland game that lead to a safety. It didn't cost the game put it was a bad snap that lead to points.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions

WR, TE

I'm putting the OFFENSIVE side of the ball #1, #2, on the draft list this year. I usually am totally against this philosophy but this year I think it is a must. If not the first two then surely two of the first 3 rounds.

I'm a huge believer in adding a WR/TE this year would do wonders as Trent grows in this system. If they could all be put in together they could build something up on that side of the ball. Let the defense and ST's lead and let Trent and Co. catch up if they can

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Mar 24, 2008 12:15 PM EDT reply actions

Reverse Needs List

I like your pratical thinking. Anybody else want to comment on what we can get by WITHOUT, that is, since we we don't have 8 first round picks, what will people be willing to sacrifice on their needs list?

I still want a WR, CB, TE and FB but think we can get by without more OL, LB and DE.

We can probably get by without another FB if we pick up a TE and WR that are great blockers.

We can probably get by without a TE if we get a great WR and add to the OL.

by south123 on Mar 24, 2008 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions

DE

Right now there are only 3 on the roster, most teams carry 4 as the Bills did last year. With Hargrove suspended they need to add another.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions

Re: Hargrove

Hargrove's just plain not on the team - he's a UFA, and he won't be re-signed here.

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by Brian Galliford on Mar 24, 2008 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions

I forgot

But that proves my point even more.

I could live with at the very least a vet fa (James Hall) but still have Gholston on my wish list, and he's not leaving until he gets picked by someone other then the Bills.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Mar 24, 2008 1:58 PM EDT up reply actions

I hope Gholston goes early

We don't have a legitimate shot at Gholston, but I really hope the Jets or Pats don't get him.

by Joe P. on Mar 24, 2008 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions

re: re: Hargrove

Off the topic a little, but did that guy ever issue any kind of public statement saying he was sorry? I mean, we're all assuming he used recreationally, correct? Here's why I think he's owes an apology (and specifically to Poz), and please correct me if I'm wrong.

They decided to keep him on the roster even though he started the season with a 4 gamer. Poz gets hurt. Copeland Bryan gets signed, but never plays, just takes up a roster spot. So, Bills have to IR Poz, even though we could have used him at the end of the year when he was healthy.

So because that bumblehead used, and we had to carry an extra spot for him, Poz's development gets nixed. Am I kind of correct on this?

by krytime on Mar 24, 2008 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions

DE

I stand corrected, we definitely need a DE. I assumed the Bills will pick up filler person from the floaters in FA, and that I could get by with a filler. But when you write it out, I agree, I want a DE.

by south123 on Mar 24, 2008 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Good job prioritizing the needs list

Spencer Johnson could be considered the Hargrove of this season. He's supposedy has the same kind of speed and size but I heard Hargrove has better rolling skills.

by jj24 on Mar 24, 2008 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Wait a minute

Are you saying Spence has a checkered past? I never heard that yet. I hope it's not the case.

Just let me say - I'm not opposed to what Hargrove did/didn't do. Please can do what they want to do, at least in my opinion. It's not like he was enhancing himself.

But please don't be stupid enough to get caught. That's what he should be done in the NFL - for being stupid.

by krytime on Mar 24, 2008 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Johnson's past is good

I have no reason to think he has a checkered past. I was just poking a little fun at Hargrove. I also think it's kind of silly that NFL players can be suspended for 4 games for testing postitive for THC when the NBA would come to an abrupt halt if they tested for it.

by jj24 on Mar 24, 2008 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Updated Needs List (Not Draft List)

WR - For what the Bills really need the most (red zone threat, YAC ability, not blocking ability), a great WR can do everything that a great TE can do, with better YAC and deep threat ability to boot. In the West Coast offense, WR's live over the middle, where Edwards thrives. Regardless if Evans is a #1 WR or a #2 WR, the Bills need to acquire a #1 WR.
TE - This need is because the Bills need more playmakers, not because "Edwards favors throwing to the TE". Edwards is more comfortable throwing over the middle (not necessarily to the TE) rather than attempting the tough throws downfield and outside the numbers.
DE - They have some quality here, but not much quantity. Starting to get older. In pass defense in today's game, pass rush is more important than pass coverage, so DE gets the nod over CB.
CB - Some quantity here, but not much quaility. In my opinion, the Bills do not have two starting-caliber cornerbacks on their roster. There is not much versatility here, either. All of their CB's need safety help (just because they are occasionally left in man coverage does not mean they are good at it).
C - We are all too familiar with the post-snap V-alignment in the offensive line. Edwards needs to be able to step into his throws and Lynch needs to be able to get the tough yards up the gut.
WR - If Evans or the new #1 WR miss any playing time, that puts Reed in the starting lineup. We all know what that means. If 2 out of 3 (Evans, WR, TE) miss any playing time, see 2007 offensive results.
DT - Stroud is probably not a long-term solution. Draft and develop his eventual replacement (a big, two-gap DT that can penetrate).
OT - Question marks behind Peters and Walker. And...Marshall Faulk says the Bills need a better left tackle.
OLB - Depth and special teams.
LB - Depth and special teams.
SS - I don't see this position as a big need if Whitner moves to FS. Whitner could possibly remain at SS.
FB - I'm not really sure about this one. Specific FB role/use/need in the new offense is unclear at this point. How many snaps will the FB even play? I don't see right now how this is a critical position of need.
QB - Status quo for now, I guess. Potentially the most dynamic need on the roster (starter and backup), because the need ranking can change quickly and significantly, and it depends on so many factors. To me, this is complicated because I will not assume that Edwards is a guaranteed franchise QB, despite being named the starter. I hope Edwards will become an elite QB, and if he does then this need would remain low regardless of Losman's status. Honestly, the overall uncertainty at this position almost makes me want to rank this the #1 need. QB is the most important position on the team.