SBNation NFL Mock Draft: Bills On The Clock

by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 2:28 PM EDT in Buffalo Bills Opinion

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OK, fellow Rumblers - the time is now for y'all to put on your GM hats and enter the war room. We are only up to pick 7 in the 2008 SB Nation NFL Mock Draft over at Mocking the Draft (pick 8 will air this evening, around 8:00 PM eastern), but this community is scheduled to pick for the Buffalo Bills in just over 24 hours' time. The first seven picks are in, and the six big names (Long x2, Gholston, Ryan, Ellis and Dorsey) plus Leodis McKelvin are off the board. With those picks in mind - and understanding that there are still three more picks to be made (Baltimore, Cincinnati, New Orleans) before we pick, here are the five prospects I'm considering with this pick:

Note: there are no trades in this mock draft, so we're picking at 11. These prospects are non-negotiable - so with proper apologies to the DE contingent out there, the Bills won't be selecting Derrick Harvey in this mock draft.

Malcolm Kelly, WR, Oklahoma: Kelly is the one name most frequently associated with this pick. He's very high on Buffalo's list as the team's top-rated wide receiver, and his supposedly creaky knees got a passing grade from Bills doctors. He's got by far the best set of hands of any receiver in this draft (he dropped only one pass in the past two seasons at Oklahoma), he's an outstanding run blocker, a great deep threat, and a tough player over the middle. Injury issues and questionable timed speed aside, his college production was the most consistent of any rookie WR and he's probably the most NFL-ready prospect at his position. Buffalo Rumblings Prospect Grade: 90

Devin Thomas, WR, Michigan State: Thomas is becoming a favorite amongst Bills fans quickly. The knocks on Thomas are that he only had one productive season in college, in which he set a Big Ten record with over 2500 all-purpose yards; his abilities as a deep threat are also questionable. Thomas isn't as big as Kelly or Sweed, but he is a strong runner, has outstanding acceleration, and even though his hands aren't the best, he's probably the most devastating "big receiver" (discounting Cal's DeSean Jackson) after making the catch. He's the type of guy who can take a short pass to the house. Would fit in well with a West Coast offense, and is one of the Draft's best kick return prospects as well. Buffalo Rumblings Prospect Grade: 88

Mike Jenkins, CB, South Florida: In terms of the top four cornerbacks available this year, Jenkins is the most underrated when compared to Leodis McKelvin, Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and Aqib Talib. Jenkins doesn't do one thing particularly well, but is more than adequate in all areas. He's a sound tackler, though he could stand to be a bit more aggressive in run support. He's got good ball skills, but they pale in comparison to Rodgers-Cromartie's. He's an excellent athlete, but his hips are a bit stiffer than those of McKelvin's or DRC's, making him a bit less appealing to man coverage teams. He's also got some minor character concerns. But he's a guy who works hard, plays hard, and brings special teams value as well. He's certainly a darkhorse candidate to be picked at #11 by Buffalo. Buffalo Rumblings Prospect Grade: 87

Limas Sweed, WR, Texas: Sweed is seeing his draft stock slide ever so slightly (how about that for some alliteration?) despite running a 4.4-second 40 at his Pro Day. Sweed is getting knocked for being a bit softer than Malcolm Kelly and a bit less swift than Devin Thomas, but make no mistake about it - Sweed is going to be a good player at the pro level. He's got solid hands and his injured wrist, cause for concern earlier this off-season, is now fully healed. At this point, he is probably more of a late first-round prospect than either Kelly or Thomas is, and would be the biggest reach at #11. Buffalo Rumblings Prospect Grade: 83

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB, Tennessee State: The fastest riser of this year's draft class, Rodgers-Cromartie may not even be on the board when the Bills pick at #11. I'm not as high on him as most, mainly due to the fact that he's not a perfect fit for Buffalo's zone defense (though he certainly could play in it). Blessed with rare athleticism, fantastic ball skills and a very high ceiling, "DRC" could eventually turn into one of the elite corners in the NFL. He'll have to be more aggressive as a tackler, adjust to a very big talent jump and work on his football smarts, but his talent and kick-return abilities alone make him worth a high first-round spot. Buffalo Rumblings Prospect Grade: 83

Clearly, my choice is a wide receiver (I've been stating my case there for weeks now), and right now, I'm leaning ever so slightly toward Kelly. But we live in a democratic society, and although other factors will be considered when we select, the majority of the Buffalo Rumblings community will have a very large say in our decision-making process. So analyze these five names (again - non-negotiable) and make your selection in the poll by clicking "Entry Link". Really looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on this!

Poll

With the 11th pick in the SBN Mock, the Buffalo Bills Select...

Oklahoma WR Malcolm Kelly

261 votes

Michigan St. WR Devin Thomas

141 votes

South Florida CB Mike Jenkins

18 votes

Texas WR Limas Sweed

41 votes

Tennessee St. CB Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie

101 votes

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Kelly

When you look at that list it's a no-brainer (I don't necessarily agree with the grade-outs). Cromartie should not be anywhere near the top 20 taken as he's taller version of Jabari Greer with poorer tackling. Limas Sweed graded lower than I thought, but it's moot because I don't believe he's as good as Kelly. Devin Thomas' grade is super inflated by his potential and return abilities (which I think every here weights too high... we already have two of the best kick returners in the league). He's simply too raw and his hands are terrible. You have to have ball skills to be a WR in the NFL.

Mike Jenkins might be the safest pick on the board, I just don't think he'll be a good CB in the NFL right away. I live in FL and USF games are on all the time and Jenkins tends to rely on his talent and natural ability too much. He gets a little complacent at times, which is why if he becomes a good corner in the NFL it may take him a while to refine his technique and mature a little.

MALCOLM KELLY... I don't know about you guys but when I watch highlights of him I see the skill set that translates to the NFL. He's just a tremendously gifted athlete with ridiculous hands.

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 2, 2008 2:46 PM EDT reply actions

Kelly

If he's truly healthy, then he'd have to be the pick of those 5. Either him or Thomas, but I still don't trust Thomas' hands.

I wouldn't touch DRC either.

by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2008 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions

you got it right

Malcolm Kelly has to be the pick here. I know we have heard that we can get value later with Nelson or Bennett or Doucet, or even trade down and grab Sweed and Thomas later. Perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that Kelly has the potential to reach Chad Johnson, Roy Williams heights in the NFL. He's a receiver who has size and speed, can go deep and make the 7 yard catch to move the chains, and most importantly this guy goes up in the air to get the ball, an indication of two extremely important qualities. One, he snags the ball with some of the most awesome hands I've seen coming out of the draft in a while, making breathtaking catches. Two, the kid has courage and heart to leap into the air and get the ball before the defender can the way he does. What else are we looking for?

It's not delivery, It's DiGiorgio!

by poz on Apr 2, 2008 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Just curious, ForeignArrow

How would you grade these guys?

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions

Grades

Kelly: Not many holes in his game, everybody is obsessing about his speed. On film he looks more like Chad Johnson than Anquan Boldin (sorry Brian, but Anquan Boldin's hands aren't nearly as good and his body type is completely different, Boldin is like a running muscle). There's really not much to take points off for, as I personally feel he'll have no problems beating people deep. Every body thinks you have to be blazing fast to run a deep route; you don't. You need to know how to play the receiver position. I played receiver in high school and I was by no means the fastest guy in the field, but still beat corners regularly. I give him an A, (it's hard to put numerical values on players) about the same as you. If he can perfect his route running he'll be a Chad Johnson/Braylon Edwards type of player.

Devin Thomas: Plenty of criticism to go around here. HANDS: not good. He's a great athlete but is he smart enough to play in the NFL? I know everybody loves return abilities, but that doesn't go far with me at all, especially when we have 2 of the best returners in the game. There's just too many holes in his game: he needs to improve his concentration, he lacks experience, he needs to run better routes, and you simply can't teach someone to have good hands. He basically only ran 3-4 routes at MSU, it's going to be tough for him in the NFL at first. Grade: B (2nd rounder at best). He will probably go in the 1st round because there are few receivers with his size and athleticism in the draft. I think he'll turn into a pro like Vincent Jackson.

Mike Jenkins: I've already commented on Jenkins before, but basically he's not a shut-down corner so I wouldn't draft him in the 1st round. Grade B+, late 1st rounder at best... no way at 11.

Limas Sweed: Sweed is stuck somewhere in the middle of Dwayne Jarrett and Sarah Plain n Tall. He ran well, in the 4.4's, but he definitely doesn't play that fast. Basically, he does everything well, but nothing spectacular... to use a cliche. He's just a notch below Kelly in every category with the exception of route-running. So I grade him out at a B+, a borderline 1st-2nd rounder.

DRC: this is one of the best examples of hype I have ever seen. The kid is a Phillip Buchanon waiting to happen. He runs a blazing 40 time and everybody freaks. He's weak (he's terrible at getting a jam, and that's in DII!!), an unwilling tackler/run supporter!!, and wasn't even that productive (once again in DII!!). Give me a break. This kid is going to be completely overwhelmed when he gets to the NFL and the receivers are just as fast as he is and 2x his size. He get's a C+, I wouldn't touch him unless he fell to the third round like Youboty did.

Grading Scale:
A+ Top 5
A Top 15
A- Top 25
B+ Top 30
B 2nd Rounder
B- 2nd Rounder
C(-+) 3rd Rounder

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 4, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Buffalo Rumblings Prospect Grades

Brian, question, what are these grades based on?

Issue: Just because a player like Derrick Harvey only has a small chance (i.e. - 3%) of being available when the Bills pick at #11, doesn't mean you should leavce him off the poll, given the number of bloggers who have expressed interest in picking him.

For all we know, Malcolm Kelly may be off the board by the time Buffalo picks. Cinci needs an heir to Chad Johnson, and they're flaky enough to pick Kelly instead of addressing their other needs.

Of course, maybe they'll wait and pick Adarius Bowman later on in the draft...LOL

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by Blitz on Apr 3, 2008 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions

Based on me. :)

And if you want my grade for Harvey, it's 89.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 3, 2008 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions

I can live with that

I was just wondering how subjective the rating was, or whether it was based on measurables.

It would be interesting to see an article sometime before draft day on how scouts derive their grades on players.

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by Blitz on Apr 3, 2008 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions

That might be doable...

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 3, 2008 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions

Just wondering...

your thoughts on my draft considerations for this Mock Draft?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 3, 2008 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions

Oh, you're right on as usual

But I'm cooling on DRC, mostly because I'm liking Jenkins and Aqib Talib more and more. Talib in particular is a better tackler (and thus a better fit in our defense), but he's got solid playmaking skills as well (which is why I actually like him a little better than Jenkins).

I'm getting the feeling that DRC is going to go #10 overall to the Saints, though... stay tuned - he might be gone at 3PM. We pick at 8PM.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 3, 2008 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions

Curious

Why is Derrick Harvey a no can do?

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 2:55 PM EDT reply actions

Because

as much as this is community-oriented, it's a mock draft. Based on projection and prediction, not a "what if we were the GM" scenario exclusively. I'm trying to be as realistic as possible with this pick.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions

Kiper

picked harvey in his latest mock draft.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 2, 2008 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Heh

Kiper... everyone's favorite draft whipping boy... remember when he said that Mike Williams was going to revolutionize the wide receiver position?

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions

Mel

I think Mel should shave his head. That hair is just way to distracting.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 2, 2008 6:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Whipping Boy has made some loot though.

Kiper is a genius if you ask me. So what if he hasn't said anything relevant over the last decade. The dude practically invented the "mock draft" and all that comes with it. In doing so, he's made a lot of cash doing something we all wish we could do, that is, watching football and getting paid to talk about it...

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions

Yep

That's one of the better points ever made on this blog. He created the market, and at the same time, he's ruining it. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Wondering

why do you think his ruining it. I personally like Kiper.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 2, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Just my opinion

But I actually think that Kiper's past his prime. It seems like he's starting to grossly overanalyze everything. Part of it is the fact that he works for ESPN, too - an organization whose output of late has left a lot to be desired (I'm really not a fan of ESPN). I just don't like listening to him, either - he acts like he's the demigod of the football gods, manifested to oversee all draft prospects. I'd rather get the insights of Scott Wright.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Scott Wright ?

don't know the guy. You gut info on the him?

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 2, 2008 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions

Oops

I meant got info on him.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 2, 2008 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Plenty

NFL Draft Countdown

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions

Thanks

I've been to that site before seemed to be ok.Just never paid attention enough to get his name

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 2, 2008 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Far past his prime

Kiper was past his prime when he defiantly said "The New York Jets do not know understand what the draft is all about" after their pick of Jeff Lageman in 1989. Kiper told us Andre Ware would be great. He said Ryan Leaf would be better than Payton Manning. The only reason he still has a job is that he's so ridiculous to watch and so utterly vile that he's unintentionally entertaining. Being controversial gets ratings and ESPN likes ratings. That's why they experimented with Rush Limbaugh.

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by Calvert on Apr 2, 2008 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions

I was...

wondering that too. But I think a lot of us are getting jaded with wanting a pass rushing DE. But there are only 2 really special DE's in this draft that would be upgrades over what we have, and they will be gone when we pick. Once again, I go to UF and watched every single game the past 2 years, and Derrick Harvey's dominance seriously dropped off this season because 4 guys from the championship team DL are in the NFL now. Harvey knows he can't make much of a splash without those guys around him and that is exactly why he came out THIS year. He can't afford to have another average season and have his stock drop. Derrick Harvey has the ability to be a good DE, but he's not exactly any more worth the 11th pick than Malcolm Kelly is. Anthony Hargrove was a better athlete than Derrick Harvey to put things in perspective. I'm a huge Gator fan but believe me, I'm an even bigger Bills fan and at no point in the season did I say "man I sure hope the Bills snag him in the draft." I love Harvey and wish him the best, but I think the Bills are better served getting a guy in the 2nd or 3rd if they want a DE (Chris Ellis is a favorite of mine).

The moral of the story is to try not to fall in love with players or the idea of certain players. The only way the Bills are taking a DE in the 1st is if Gholston falls to us, and that's not necessarily a bad thing.

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 2, 2008 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Hargrove better than Harvery?

Really? I'm gonna trust your opinion on this one my man, only because you have seen the dude play for two years. Still, it's kind of shocking to say the least.

Better hope sireric doesn't read your comments. If he does, I have a feeling you two are in for a cage match...

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 6:53 PM EDT up reply actions

Not me

I've learned to bide my time, I've already got plenty of arrow's comments saved so when he's proved wrong I can display the evidence.

Besides I already made a bet with him and look forward to his Diary proclaiming my greatness.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 2, 2008 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions

What was the bet again?

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions

bet

who gets drafted first:
I've got Josh Johnson
He's got Andre Woodson

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 2, 2008 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions

That's right.

I want a side bet on Johnson. He definitely goes first...

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

No

I'm not saying that Hargrove is better than Harvey, I was using him as a tool to give you all an idea of how athletic (or unathletic) Harvey is.

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 4, 2008 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions

Kelly

Request a postponement from the 31 other teams until next Wednesday, then, draft Kelly if he does 4.55 or better; otherwise violate the Mocking The Draft Rules and trade down to the mid/late-teens and go with best available WR (probably Kelly!).

by labill on Apr 2, 2008 3:05 PM EDT reply actions

Haha

If we lived in a perfect world, right?

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions

Take Kelly

Just do it, and maybe Devin Thomas or Limas Sweed will be there for us in the second round too!!!

by DC Fan on Apr 2, 2008 3:13 PM EDT reply actions

I want Harvey :(

But for the sake of argument, if you are bound and determined to take a receiver go with Kelly, otherwise I say Jenkins. I think he's the second best corner in the draft, and could help form a terrific secondary.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 2, 2008 3:16 PM EDT reply actions

Won't argue you there

I really like the idea of adding Jenkins to this secondary, and I've always had a soft spot for the guy. I just don't think we can justify taking a guy who might be our #3 CB over a guy who would start and fill a much bigger need at WR... but in the end, it's mostly up to you guys.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions

CB at #11

I think if Marv was still GM he would be seriously considering one of the top CB's at #11. Levy had a real history with picking DB's in the 1st round.

Assuming Brandon is the guy making the final decision, all that history is gone. Based on what I've seen the Bills do in free agency, he just seems like a guy who will go after WR in the 1st round, because it's a team need. Add to that the fact that Lee Evans needs a new contract, and it makes more sense still. In the end, value won't factor in as heavily for Buffalo's 1st round pick this year.

Looks more and more like Malcolm Kelly is going to be wearing a Bill's uniform this fall...

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by Blitz on Apr 2, 2008 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions

in this scenario

Kelly it is. He has the talents, and it fills a major need. This defense has proven it can bend but no break even with street FA's. Its a must to add skills on the offensive side of the ball, even if drafting a WR in the first round is a risky proposition. I trust Modrak and company in evaluating talent. I mean they got Lee Evans right

MARVelous

by MARVelous on Apr 2, 2008 3:50 PM EDT reply actions

Sweed

Looks like I am alone here, but I like Sweed. It seemed like Thomas' hands were a bit shaky at the combine, when everything seem to stick to Sweeds. I will take the 2-3 inches also. I just have a feeling he is going to be a solid pro.

by Buffalonian by the Grace of God on Apr 2, 2008 4:27 PM EDT reply actions

You're not alone

Sweed is the best in the bunch.

by ThatGuy2 on Apr 2, 2008 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions

Kelly

I am not worried about health because I know that the Bills brass is too smart to waste the #11 pick on someone that has real health concerns.

The reason I chose Kelly is because out of the top three WR, he has the best combination of ability right now and potential. He is not quite as polished as Sweed but Kelly has greater upside. Thomas would be my second pick at WR because of his ability to return kicks. I can't say I would be pissed if we landed Sweed, but I dont think he should be selected at #11.

by hilliarddavid on Apr 2, 2008 4:28 PM EDT reply actions

If you don't go

Derrick Harvey you will be reaching for a player. No WR is worth a top 20 pick and DRC is so overrated. But if I had to pick of the guys you want take Mike Jenkins.

by bills @ Buffalo Rumblings on Apr 2, 2008 4:32 PM EDT reply actions

Derrick Harvey

is overrated.

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 2, 2008 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions

RE

why?
when you say something like that back it up

by bills @ Buffalo Rumblings on Apr 2, 2008 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions

He already did

First comment in this thread.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions

Erp, apologies

NOT the first comment... it's in a response to krytime's first comment in this thread.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions

Limas has crazy potential

Don't throw Limas Sweed out the window yet. Malcolmb had 10 touchdowns his junior year Limas had 12. Malomb averaged 16.02 yards a catch, Limas avarge 17.41. You cant say that Limas had more TD'S because they threw to him more because Malcolmb average 4.4 yards a game Limas averaged 3.5.

Sure, Limas didn't play his senior year, but if he did I think he would have had an even better year than he did his junior year becuase it would have been his 2nd year with colt mccoy throwing to him.

Limas ran a 4.46 in the 40 yard dash and had a 37.5 inch verticle. That is OUTSTANDING for his size. What did Malcolmb have? we don't know yet. He might have something close to that or even better. However, I don't think we can give the nod to Malcolmb yet when we don't know any of his measureables.

I love both recievers but I would like to see Kelly's 40 yard dash and 40 inch verticle before placing him before limas sweed. Call me crazy, but I also think the bills should take Mario Manningham in the second round if he is still there. Arguably the most productive reciever comming out of the draft this year. He played against top corners in the big ten and did great. The bills need another wide receiver, and I don't think they could pass up on Manninghams talent in the second round, although it would also be beneficial to take a tight end. The guy AVERAGED 100 yards reciever per game at almost 17 yards a catch for 6 receptions a game. And oh yea, he caught 12 touchdown passes. He ran a 4.42 at the combine which is very fast. Lee evans ran a 4.39 so that gives you and idea of how fast manningham is. He definitly has the skills to play in this league and would benefit us immensly.

by buffaloboy90 on Apr 2, 2008 4:52 PM EDT reply actions

measureables?

you're kidding, right? i thought talent was supposed to be the biggest factor. So what... if Kelly runs a 4.6 and has a 32 in vertical you'd take Sweed? What was Marques Colston's 40? Jerry Rice? Workouts are the most over-hyped, over-blown, over-analyzed crap ever. They indicate raw athleticism, not ability. Another argument for another day... Kelly is just more talented, there's a reason he's the #1 WR prospect in this draft, even over guys who have better 40 times like DeSean Jackson.

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 2, 2008 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions

Kelly more talented?

How can you call kelly more talented when he didn't produce as much as limas sweed produced.
When he only had 9 touchdowns last year and only got the ball 3.5 times a game. If he was that good they would have gotten the ball to him more! I'm sure jerry rice had freak production in college, WAY more production than malcomb kelly had. You overrate malcolmb kelly. The workouts obviously do matter or they wouldn't have them. Why do you think everyone is so interested in them. There are definite correlations to workout numbers and success in the NFL. To claim that there the nfl combine is blown out of proportion is stupid. People invest lots of money into these picks and they want to know everything about the guy. if you were to spend 10's of millions of dollars you would too. Limas sweed was the best rated reciever last year before the season started and in some he is still rated the best.

by buffaloboy90 on Apr 2, 2008 9:31 PM EDT up reply actions

Never

said the workouts didn't matter, I said they were overblown. %90 of the evaluation process is watching game film. Another %9 is probably the personal interview. The only thing good combine numbers will do is get scouts' attention, not necessarily make a player grade higher on someone's draft board. Trust me, Dick Jauron will not be sitting in the War Room like, "I don't know, we better take Sweed because he ran a good 40 time and Kelly only got the ball 3.5 times a game..."

It's probably going to go like this, "Man that Kelly kid is impressive on film and maybe one of the best run blocking WR's we've ever evaluated, and he catches everything you throw at him. Sweed is a solid player but he doesn't really jump out at you."

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 4, 2008 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions

Talent

Don't throw out the talent card unless you have the talents to support it. Dick jauron goes by the stats and that's why he will pick limas sweed.

by buffaloboy90 on Apr 2, 2008 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions

I'm in agreement.

[i]At this point[/i], I'd take Sweed over Kelly as well bboy90. I still maintain he uses his body to shield defenders better than Kelly and is a much bigger target than Thomas. We already have Parrish, so why add another WR with a similar skill set?

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by Kumario! on Apr 2, 2008 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions

Manningham

Where did you get his combine speed? I thought Manningham ran a 4.68 or something at the Combines. It was shockingly bad for a speedster. He made up a bit on his pro day (I think around 4.49). His combine numbers were the talk of the WRs -- and dropped him like a stone. I saw some of the drills, and he had difficulty running a straight line on one of the catch and release drills -- the commentators were critical of him after watching that. He apparently has bad attitude and is arrogant (that is what I had heard). In addition, he had great numbers in a system that included Chad Henne as his QB the whole time, and with Hart at RB and Long at LT, plenty of time to get open.

by labill on Apr 2, 2008 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions

manninghams speed

I meant the pro day. He ran a 40 Yrd Dash: 4.42. you can find this information on http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=57291.

by buffaloboy90 on Apr 2, 2008 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions

The Pick

Kelly is the only WR that even comes close to an 11 pick. I stil say trade down about 5 spots or so and still get one of the two (Thomas or Kelly). After reading DJ's latest comments, it looks like no doubt it will be a WR. Kelly will be able to contribute immediately as a WR. Thomas over time. Looks like they will address KR later.

DJ said they want a big WR who will get open even though he is not open. That sounds like Kelly to me. Unreal hands. Very smooth. I am thinking that OBD has about the same attitude towards Kelly's injury history as they had for Thurman.

IMO many bloggers are underestimating DRC. Barring injury, he will be the next great shutdown corner. A rare athlete with superb skills and fotball instincts. May very well not be there at 11.

by keuka121 on Apr 2, 2008 6:24 PM EDT reply actions

My Official Vote

My vote goes to DRC. Best athlete available from the five if you ask me. Jenkins is a close second, and only because he might be a better fit immediately in this defense.

If it HAS to be a WR, then I guess I have to say Kelly it is.

But I just want to add more time, that picking him at #11 goes against each belief I have with regard to the draft.

The first one is don't reach. Most people have Kelly being ranked somewhere around the 20th best player. At #11, he'd be a reach.

Second, he's a WR! Don't pick WRs in the first round, or at the very least, in the top half of the first round.

Third, draft Offensive and Defensive lineman with each and every first round pick you ever have. If you do this, and have a decent QB, you will always have a good team. Always.

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 7:14 PM EDT reply actions

DRC

Obviously, that would be my first pick too. Jenkins is good, but too small. Just love to see a Buffalo shut down corner negate Mr Moss! And others. Even pick the ball off. I have a tough time picking a WR too in the first half of this 1st round.

by keuka121 on Apr 2, 2008 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions

Just a quick note

Chris Brown seems to think we'll go CB at #11.

On today's Path to the Draft on NFLN, the Bills were featured with Chris Brown being interviewed. He brought up CB first and said that position would provide the best value at #11. He wasn't sure if any of the WR's deserved being taken as a borderline top 10 pick. Said that Kelly and Thomas were neck and neck for the top WR on our board.

I'm not sure how much true insider knowledge Brown has, but it was surprising that he considered CB the best value while noting that no WR should be up that high. I wonder how close that is to what the front office sees....

by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2008 7:18 PM EDT reply actions

Brown...

interesting comments, but they sound hallow. I'm putting that in the "spin" categoery.

I have to admit, I thought Chris Brown's blog was awesome when it first came out - now I cant stand it. He's just a PR front, another way to spin information for the organization. Very disappointing.

John I.

by jri111 on Apr 2, 2008 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions

Brown has no reason

to spin this. NO ONE ELSE is going to even consider using a top 10 pick on a #2 WR. Brain, you really are not playing fair. You should have given us Harvey as an option.

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2008 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha

Question: do you purposely call me Brain? :)

I think I'm totally playing fair! This is a mock draft, in which we predict the draft's results. The chances of the Bills selecting Derrick Harvey right now is about 3%. And that's if he's available.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions

Brian, Brian, Brian

I didn't even realize I had done that before. Sorry. I would probably do better with "hunt and peck" than actually trying to type. Interesting stats. How did you calculate that?

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2008 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions

No worries

My family has actually hand-written "Brain" on birthday cards before.

3%? In the following manner: 70% chance of a WR, 25% chance of a CB, 5% chance of a DE. -2% for the fact that Harvey may be gone by pick 9.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions

I'll take it

I thought the odds of a safety in '06 was slim to none (I don't know what percentage that is) So I'll take 3% for now.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 2, 2008 8:54 PM EDT up reply actions

Ha, yeah

And if I'm just as shocked by a draft pick this year as I was with Whitner, I won't have a lot to complain about. I really believe that if Harvey becomes a Bill, he could unseat Chris Kelsay as the starting left end by the time his rookie season is complete.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions

Brian....

are you @#$%ing with me? Or did you actually pull those stats out of your @$$.

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2008 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions

The latter. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions

Very creative number crunching

I hear Hillary needs help figuring out how to pay for socialized medicine...uuummm...I mean universal health care. She could use someone with your abilities. And, while you're at it, get us a new stadium with a retractable roof!!!

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2008 9:25 PM EDT up reply actions

If I had the power...

... I'd be all for that retractable roof idea. That Giants game was brutal last year...

My God, I hate politics.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions

That just means

you have a soul.

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2008 9:32 PM EDT up reply actions

I just realized it

Joe p loves Hillary. It's o.k. everyone has their secret crushes mine is Oprah

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 2, 2008 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions

More of a Love/Hate relationship

You know, like that pimple on your back you can't reach. You hate the daily pain and irritation it causes, but you love the fact that it will eventually cause it's own destruction and disappear!!!

If I was going to admit to a crush on a older women, it would be Farrah Fawcett. I just can't get that poster out of my head! You know the one. Man, did I just "date" myself.

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2008 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions

Farrah

I had the same poster my friend. She was my "first."

by krytime on Apr 3, 2008 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions

gold digger

by jj24 on Apr 2, 2008 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions

gold digger

Hey, got to make a few bucks any way I can.

Man do I miss #78

by sireric on Apr 3, 2008 6:45 AM EDT up reply actions

Dude

I got that beat, my mother accidentally out Brain on my birth certificate. She had to change it, at least that's what she told me. For all I know the IRS knows me as Brain Peterson.

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by ForeignArrow on Apr 4, 2008 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions

My Selection

Given the conditions of this Mock Draft (players to choose from and the rules), my choice boils down to 5 primary considerations:

Wide receiver is the Bills' greatest need.
Of the 5 players to choose from, I think Malcolm Kelly would provide the most immediate impact.
I think great cornerbacks are more difficult to find than great wide receivers. There's almost always "next year" for a chance to get another great receiver. I don't think the same can be said for a great cornerback. I think that great wide receivers must be able to catch and great cornerbacks must be able to cover. However, receivers have an easier job than cornerbacks do. It's easier to run forward than run backward. Receivers know where they are going to run, cornerbacks don't. The rules of the game favor the receivers. The theory that great cornerbacks (those with the ability to cover) are not required in the Cover 2, combined with the idea that Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie is not a perfect fit for Buffalo's zone defense, are some of the reasons why I like Rodgers-Cromartie so much. His rare talent would provide the Bills' defense uncommon flexibility and versatility and allow them to do things that other defenses simply can't do.
Of the 5 players to choose from, I think Rodgers-Cromartie has the highest ceiling. Kelly, Devin Thomas, Limas Sweed, and Mike Jenkins have plenty of upside, too. However, I think that Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie has the most upside, primarily due to his rare combination of size, closing speed, hip flexibility, change of direction, quickness, instincts, jumping ability, and ball skills.
I don't like the idea of "must win in 2008" or else be subject to more coach and roster turnover. I am concerned that the general lack of patience and stability among front offices, coaches, players, and fans around the NFL could be hurting the league. Unfortunately, this type of pressure prevents teams from doing what is best for the long haul. The focus of the draft should not be to get the players that will provide the most immediate impact, but to acquire the best talent and build the roster for the future.

Therefore, my order of preference is (if available):

Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Malcolm Kelly
Devin Thomas
Limas Sweed
Mike Jenkins

In short, my pick is Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. Honestly, I would be happy with any one of these 5 players. Kelly, Thomas, or Sweed would be awesome additions to the Bills offense. Along with Marshawn Lynch and Lee Evans, it would complete the playmaking trifecta on offense. I like Jenkins, but I don't think he is as talented as Rodgers-Cromartie and he comes with some character and maturity issues. I just think Rodgers-Cromartie is the best way to go.

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by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2008 10:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Brain

I always thought it was a compliment

by jj24 on Apr 2, 2008 11:10 PM EDT up reply actions

Mock Draft

Who would you pick?

How good do you want the Bills to be?

by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2008 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions

Leaning towards Kelly

Mostly because we need a WR so badly. I wouldn't mind getting Jenkins, though.

by jj24 on Apr 2, 2008 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions

DRC

He's good, too. I would think he needs to get more physical as he develops in the league. He can do it. It would certainly be an issue out of the gate, though. He'll be more of a Deion Sanders type, with the capability to become more physical.

by jj24 on Apr 2, 2008 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions

DRC

Reportedly had one of his kidneys (not functioning) removed when he was 8 years old. How much of a problem could this be, if any?

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by Fort Worth on Apr 2, 2008 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions

Nothing too serious

Your kidneys are basically two blood filters. Most children have a kidney removed because it is attacking itself and to leave it there would have an adverse affect to the filtering process. I doubt his other kidney is in jeopardy. Your kidneys also release hormones that help the bodies development of vitamin D(for bones), red blood cells, and also help maintain blood pressure. However, with the loss of one kidney, the other can still produce enough of these hormones with one healthy kidney. One kidney can also be sufficient to filtation when that person maintains good exercise and diet(plus not smoking, etc.) The only major concern with DRC would be damage to his remaining kidney due to injury. The only minor concern would be fatigue.

by jj24 on Apr 3, 2008 7:32 AM EDT up reply actions

Minor concern for blood pressure, too

But I think he's going to be healthy for long a time.

by jj24 on Apr 3, 2008 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions

Reply

Thanks for the info!

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by Fort Worth on Apr 3, 2008 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions

you got it

by jj24 on Apr 3, 2008 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions

I'm not buying it

Nor am I discounting the possibility that the Bills go corner, either. This is a popular opinion amongst "experts", though - they're just recognizing the fact that no WR is, at least from the standpoint of public perception, worth the #11 pick and going with the next popular option. There are cornerbacks that I really like, too - Mike Jenkins, Aqib Talib, Charles Godfrey and Tyvon Branch in particular are favorites of mine. I'd be happy with any of those guys, even if it's at pick 11.

I'll just say this: WR might seem like a reach, but if we skip on one in the first round, and can't find a starter elsewhere, we're really going to suck throwing the football next season.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions

Don't say that.

"I'll just say this: WR might seem like a reach, but if we skip on one in the first round, and can't find a starter elsewhere, we're really going to suck throwing the football next season."

The future (2008) of the Bills passing offense does not ride solely on the shoulders of a WR drafted at #11.

Please allow me to justify...

First, you have to assume that the play calling will be better this year. Surely, it can't get any worse.

Second, even with Fowler, this is an offensive line on the rise.

Third is the anticipated improvement of Edwards, specifically citing the improvement most players make between the first and second seasons.

Fourth, you're forgetting the inevitable draft of a TE. Bringing in a good TE might do as much for this team as would one of the top WRs, if not more..

Just because we might not get one of the top 3 or 4 WRs ranked in this draft doesn't mean the passing attack will suck next year.

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions

And I'll rebut by saying this...

... Josh Reed would be our starting wide receiver next to Lee Evans. We would still have absolutely no presence on the outside to take pressure off of Lee - he'd be just as mediocre next year as he was this past year, no matter what TE we draft. Josh. Reed.

Our offensive line gave Edwards/Losman plenty of time to throw last year on enough occasions to be an effective unit. Fat lot of good it did us.

If I'm going to freak out if Josh Reed is starting next year, I can't even come close to imagining what Nick will do. We have to find a starter. I like the Jordy Nelsons and Earl Bennetts of the world, but they can't start, and they won't help Evans out. It's starter or bust. That's really the long and short of it.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions

Reed

has had surgery on his back, so he will be better this year too (pause to LOL). I will say it again, replace Fowler ASAP. That move alone will have as big of an impact this season as drafting Kelly.

by Joe P. on Apr 2, 2008 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions

He's just preparing his body for....

carrying the offense on his shoulders.

by Kurupt on Apr 2, 2008 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions

DRC

None of the 5 are an #11 pick, so might as well take the biggest potential upside.

With so many 2nd tier at best DB's on the roster now, taking the best DB on this list is the best option.

by Rock Pile 494 on Apr 2, 2008 7:19 PM EDT reply actions

I'd say Sweed

I'd take Sweed over Kelly right now for two reasons. Sweed is seen by the experts (Yes, the same ones who thought Mike Williams would be a terrific LT.) as being the more polished of the two. Trent Edwards needs help now. Also, and perhaps more importantly, no one has seen Kelly run in months. He may be 100% or he may just be as healthy as he's going to be. His history of leg injuries makes me a bit skittish. With all that said, I'm not going to stare at the screen dumbfounded if Kelly is the pick--unlike when Whitner was the pick with Ngata still on the board.

by Ron From NM on Apr 2, 2008 7:22 PM EDT reply actions

Ngata and Whitner

I still cringe when I hear their names mentioned in the same sentence. I like Whitner. But that day, I was wearing a hula-hoop and drinking beer out of cocunut shells in anticipation of drafting him. Safeties are a dime a dozen. Dominating big men are worth their weight in gold.

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions

Past Draft

I do like Whitner, but I think the OBD crew consulted Al Davis before passing on Ngata.

by keuka121 on Apr 2, 2008 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions

That's not entirely accurate

Also, and perhaps more importantly, no one has seen Kelly run in months.

The Buffalo Bills have seen Kelly work out recently, as they hosted him for a pre-draft visit.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions

Are you sure he worked out/ran?

I know he really impressed him with his character, but I wasn't sure if they were able to work him out some.

(I think the smartest thing they could do would be to bring in the top 6 or so WRS, and work them out with Trent. Wouldn't you maybe just want to see upon first impressions if there is any immediate chemistry between your QB and a possible highly paid draft pick? I think I would. I'm not sure if it happens, and even if it did, who'd report it? That'd be tipping your hand.)

And if their medical staff checked him (Kelly) out, well, get prepared a little for this - I'm not crazy about their medical staff, and I'm not sure if I trust their opinions.

Just hear me out. The work that Dr. Andrew Cappucino did was absolutely amazing, as well as the work of the rest of the staff during the Everett incident. But remember, most of that work was done by Millard Fillmore Hospital, not the Bills.

Since Rusty Jones left, the team hasn't been so "healthy." Look at all of the man-games lost to injury. That's part of the medical staff's job too. I just think they got a free ride from the excellent work done with Everett.

I guess I'm just saying...

by krytime on Apr 2, 2008 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions

He did

some on-field work for them, according to what I've heard. Geronimo, I believe, has confirmed this.

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 2, 2008 8:11 PM EDT up reply actions

11

If we do go WR first, let it be Malcolm Thomas. That be Kelly's hands on Thomas's body.

by keuka121 on Apr 2, 2008 7:26 PM EDT reply actions

Kelly's agent clears up questions over his health

Associated Press (31 March 2008, NFL.com Draft News
The agent for Oklahoma wide receiver Malcolm Kelly is trying to reassure NFL teams that his client is completely healed from a thigh injury and has no lingering knee problems.
Malcolm Kelly, WR
Oklahoma Sooners
Career Statistics
Gms/GS: 39/34
Rec: 144
Yards: 2,285
Tds: 21
Agent Chad Speck sent a letter to all 32 NFL teams Monday, along with a letter from the doctor who has been treating Kelly, to let them know that the receiver projected as a possible first-round draft pick is healthy.
The injury first was diagnosed as a deep thigh bruise, but Kelly actually had a small quadriceps tear. The agent also pointed out that Dr. Michael Hatrak of Alpharetta, Ga., also found "all other structures assessed within normal limits." Kelly tore an ACL in junior high and had arthroscopic knee surgery during his sophomore year at Oklahoma.
"The intent of the letter is certainly to end speculation on Malcolm's health status," Speck said. "He is 100 percent healthy and as Dr. Hatrak states, has no further risk of injury."
Hatrak diagnosed Kelly with the "slight quadriceps tear" on Feb. 14, and cleared the receiver for full training March 20. Kelly did not work out at the combine in February or at Oklahoma's first Pro Day.
"The rumors that are currently circulating regarding his knees are irresponsible and untrue!" Speck wrote to NFL general managers and scouts.
Speck said Kelly, who declared for the draft after his junior season, will take part in every drill at Oklahoma's next pro day on April 9.
Kelly was Oklahoma's second-leading receiver last year with 49 receptions for 821 yards and nine touchdowns. He had 62 catches for 992 yards and 10 touchdowns as a sophomore, and his 21 career TD catches rank second all-time at Oklahoma behind Mark Clayton.

I tried to paste link but wouldn't work. If he performs well at his Pro day should be # 11 pick.

by Firedawgs on Apr 2, 2008 7:38 PM EDT reply actions

Not a big deal...

who the Bills draft at #11. They're either getting a major improvement at #2 receiver (fill in the name____), or a major improvement at CB (Mike Jenkins. Dull, but satisfying.

The interesting thing is to see what The Tuna does with the 1st overall pick.

by Mighty Taco on Apr 2, 2008 7:51 PM EDT reply actions

I want Thomas

While the Bills are in a position to do a lot of tinkering with their selections due to the large number they get, because of what happened in free agency they are in a position where they have to address immediate need with their #1 pick. Kelly is probably the better player but he does not complement Evans or more specifically he does not complement the Evans-Edwards combination. The Bills still don't have a quality receiving tight end and while Jauron/Schonert want to use Lynch as a receiver more he can't do it all. Edwards does not have the arm strength that Losman has but what he can do exceptionally well is spot the ball in traffic. The have got to go for a guy who can catch those underneath routes and turn six-yard gains into twenty-yard gains.

Kelly would be a better choice if Losman were still the starter as we would be able to rely on the longer routes more securely with two deep threats. But he's not the starter anymore. Thomas is the best player that fits that specific need and the offense that Jauron and Schonert are developing. I think we should get him.

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by Calvert on Apr 2, 2008 8:35 PM EDT reply actions

Kelly

I guess I would go with Malcolm Kelly, but I dont think that either Thomas or Sweed would be bad either. It's really just the nature of the 11th pick...

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by Fucilli5 on Apr 2, 2008 9:20 PM EDT reply actions

WOW....

Disappear for a couple days and look at all the great talks and things you have going on, this is truly a great site.
First things first Brian, that is ridiculous that you left Harvey off of this thing! I understand your feelings on wanting to be realistic, but wouldn't it be something if he is indeed our pick at 11 (admitted longshot), and sireric did make the point that Kiper has us taking him now. He should be on there, especially since you put the CB's in there.
Finally who I picked with my hands tied. I chose Malcom Kelly, simply for the matter of hands and experience over Thomas. Thomas does have the advantage in YAC, but he has to catch the ball first and 15 drops scares me more then Kelly's injury concerns..especially if he is cleared by our award winning medical staff.
I WANT HARVEY!

Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Apr 2, 2008 10:21 PM EDT reply actions

See my latest post

For my feelings on Harvey. I think he'd be an excellent draft choice, but I still believe it's unrealistic at this point. If Harvey is drafted in April, we'll let sireric, Kurupt and yourself run the polling for the 2009 SBN Mock Draft. :)

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by Brian Galliford on Apr 3, 2008 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions

Deal....

And nice work on the newest article Brian. I admit it is a long shot, but I am hoping for a Whitner type surprise at 11 this year. And I am by no means a fan of "the hair", but I do like a him a lot more than usual right now.

Playoff Bound in '08!

by SP @ Buffalo Rumblings on Apr 3, 2008 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions